WATCH: Former DNI Ratcliffe Explains Why He Expects More Indictments From John Durham

Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said Wednesday he believes special counsel John Durham is far from through regarding his criminal probe of the origins of the ‘Russian collusion’ counterintelligence investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign.

In an interview with Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, Ratcliffe said he believes Durham has more indictments to hand down.

“We had collected good intelligence indicating who was involved in the origins of the Russiagate hoax, if you will,” he began.

“That, in fact, it was the Hillary campaign that had started these fake Russian allegations, and that was incorporated in the CIA Director John Brennan’s notes, and so one of the first things that I did was I declassified those notes, and I shared that intelligence, and other intelligence with John Durham to allow him to get to the truth of ‘how did this all start, how did this investigation that became Crossfire Hurricane, that then became the Muller investigation,’ and continued on, really not just in an effort to influence the outcome of the 2016 election, but carried on throughout the Trump presidency. Who was responsible for all of that,” Ratcliffe, who served as then-President Donald Trump’s final DNI, continued.

“I know I took the long way to get there,” he added, “I always felt that there were a lot of people responsible for what was a hoax perpetrated on the American public intending to mislead them about Donald Trump and relations with Russians that didn’t exist, and Michael Sussmann is just one of many people… all the way from other folks involved with the Clinton Campaign, to the DNC, to independent folks like Christopher Steele, to even folks within the FBI who perpetuated with what they knew would be a false narrative for some period of time,” Ratcliffe, who was serving as a Republican congressman from Texas when Trump tapped him for the DNI post, said.

“I expect there to be a lot more indictments coming from John Durham besides the ones that have trickled out so far, and that’s based upon documents… many of which are still not yet declassified.”

Kirk then asked Ratcliffe about a reported five persons involved with the Clinton campaign who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment.

“When five people who all take the fifth… What do you think the motivation is behind that? What do you think that speaks to? Is there anything to that, or are they trying to be extra careful?” he asked the former DNI.

“Cases like this are difficult to prove. So I’m sure in some instances, someone would exercise the fifth because why help the prosecutor. These are the elements that he or she’s going to have to prove, and when it comes to me, there’s nothing there, so, the more I talk, the more trouble I get into. That may be the approach of some of the folks that John Durham wants to speak with,” said Ratcliffe.

“But there are other folks, Charlie, that very clearly have exercised their Fifth Amendment rights because their prior testimony jeopardizes them,” he said, providing the example of Bruce Orr, number 4 at the department of justice at the time, who was meeting with Christopher Steele, who testified under oath that he met with Glenn System at FusionGPS in August of 2016.

“Think about the time frame, several months before the election, he said ‘I met with Glen Simpson, and Glen Simpson handed me a thumb drive, and on that were aspects of the Steele Dossier,'” said Ratcliffe.

“So that’s his sworn testimony… The problem for Glen Simpson at Fusion GPS—who was hired by the Clinton campaign… is that he had testified previously to the House Intelligence Committee that he never met Bruce Orr until some time after the election in November of 2016.”



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